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Kevin D

Kevin D 1 year ago

Chess DRAMA!

Anyone know anything more about the story below, I found it quite troubling. 

Chess DRAMA - ARMENIA FORFEITED in PRO Chess League Finals:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqzl3q9Bsh0

Thoughts?

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Edo Tokyo

Edo Tokyo 1 year ago

I did not know about this. Nice one Kevin!I guess that if the cheating has been proved there is nothing to add, but it will be nice to see the armenian point of view, since we have so many aremenian family relatives!
Kevin D

Kevin D 1 year ago

I hope the story isn't true that would be disappointing. Somehow though I don't think the last word has been spoken in this saga.
Franck steenbekkers

Franck steenbekkers 1 year ago

I think this is a shame!

I think chess.com s evidence is not very convincing!!

I d ont like the behaviour of So. If he wins from stronger players this is normal if he lost they cheat. He told similiar story s about other Armemian players....i agree with the opinion of Nakamura that So d ont plays very well in this tournament 

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Peter N

Peter N 1 year ago

I think the evidence is quite convincing:

* Performance way out of his league
* 9 successive top computer moves in a complicated position (in a rapid game!)
* Unnatural computer moves such as Qd2 (as pointed out by Nakamura)
* Constantly looks down during games

I'm sure chess.com has more evidence. They don't take such a step lightly. Petrosian's reaction in the forums was a disgrace.
Edo Tokyo

Edo Tokyo 1 year ago

Yeah, me too. I am not big fan of the Mighty american team but Petrosian's behavior looking down is strange all the time, when I play I do not even blink, and with money on stake I would put some tape in my eyes to avoid closing them and "see" all the moves that otherwise I could miss... Although he has no time to input the moves in a phone or another device. For cheating, there are cheating bots and you actually look at the screen since the moves appear in the board... I don't know, let's see how it evolves!
Kevin D

Kevin D 1 year ago

@Edo Tokyo

I find it hard to be a fan of American teams since  they are always primarily made up of players that migrated from other countries. In this case Cuba, Philippines, Italy and jeffrey Xiong looks Asian to me.

Has there ever been an American team comprised mostly of players that were born there? Also the majority of home grown americans that I have come across always seem to be arrogant and full of bravado, but maybe that's just my experience.

Peter N

Peter N 1 year ago

Fabiano and Jeffery were both born in the US.

Kevin D

Kevin D 1 year ago

Thank's Peter, I was going by Fabiano's first middle and surname and the fact that he represented Italy at Chess Olympiads until recently, while with Xiong, I made an assumption which I should not have done.

Things are not looking good for Tigran. Here is an update: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Bbw7ZNUFt8

Some background context:

https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/j166dh/amazing_reaction_to_winning_the_pcl/

https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/j3kc8r/saint_louis_arch_bishops_2020_pro_chess_league/

Papa Tactics

Papa Tactics 1 year ago

Kevin D. What an ignorant thing to say. Xiong was born in Texas. Even if he were born elsewhere why would it matter if he grew up playing chess in the states and ends up representing US? Do you not consider Nakamura a true American Grandmaster? Do you not consider Awonder Liang a homegrown American GM? He was born in the US as well but has"an Asian look". What about Ray Robson and his Asian heritage?
Papa Tactics

Papa Tactics 1 year ago

Kraai, Seirawan (moved to USA in his childhood) , Lenderman , Benjamin, Soltis, Liang, Xiong, Robson, Defirmian, Hess, are just a few names of homegrown American GMs that aren't arrogant or full of bravado (as far as I can tell from YouTube, interviews, etc). Just another example of your narrow minded thinking. Shouldn't generalize from such a small sample size.
Edo Tokyo

Edo Tokyo 1 year ago

Yes, this is true Papa Tactics,

When I said that I was not a big fan of the Mighty american team (Saint Louis Archbishops), I meant a team bought with the Saint Louis Club money, they are all members of the Olympic team I believe. I always cheer for the underdog and clearly Saint Louis with all the resources they have were the favorites.

That said the controversy of changing federations has always been there, and will always be, at the end it is always the player that has to make the most of it and pick up any chance they have to grow as a players and personally. There is no better place to do that now than Saint Louis if you are one of these elite players maybe... What do you think?

Also I found this really interesting video from Chess.com about cheating that was published in April...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knvySXCNfd8

Kevin D

Kevin D 1 year ago

@Edo Tokyo's

Nice link Edo, perhaps he should do a similar video clarifying the decision in the PCL case.

@Papa_Tactics

Okay Papa, I respect your point of view.

Kevin D

Kevin D 1 year ago

latest Developments: Armenian Eagles respond

https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/j3xawd/armenian_eagles_press_conference_translated/

Looks like the ball is now firmly back in chess.com's court to justify their decision. This controversy could have serious repercussions for online tournament chess. 

Postscript: Some more context, I missed this one before.

Daily Chess Highlights: ARMENIA EAGLES ARE THE CHAMPS!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeBE4KdHVrc

WIM_Susanna Gaboyan

WIM_Susanna Gaboyan 1 year ago

Tigran is known as a very strong blitz and rapid player, I think he won a lot of strong players and tournaments. Of course, we also know him as a person, he is a very nice guy and a strong grandmaster. I definitely don't believe that he was cheating. Here is his reaction to it. I don't know where he wrote it, I just saw this picture. (I mean it was on chess.com, but I don't know where exactly). In my opinion, chess.com should be punished for this.

Inguh Kim

Inguh Kim 1 year ago

From what Chess.com vice president Danny Rensch said, Chess.com usually don't ban players unless they have enough evidence to be willing to go to court. It's sad for Petrosian, but it looks like there's more than 99% probability that he did cheat.

Having said that, Chess.com HAS been wrong in the past, although I would presume not often.

I hope this is settled well, maybe at court.

jamie Wilby

jamie Wilby 1 year ago

Regardless of whether he did cheat or not (seems somewhat likely he may have). This response is not something you would expect from a professional to be honest.

If he did cheat then its a shame for his team mates that they also forfeit as well.

Kevin D

Kevin D 1 year ago

Chessbase has now picked up the story:

https://en.chessbase.com/post/cheating-controversy-at-prochessleague

WIM_Susanna Gaboyan

WIM_Susanna Gaboyan 1 year ago

It will be clear after the court.