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Anyone else facing the stafford gambit a lot?

This is a pretty popular gambit on twitch with eric rosen. It may have a lot to do with my level (~1000-1400) but im getting it kind of a lot when I want to play the scotch (and they go petroff defense). I've been declining the gambit by playing  4. d4 to defend the knight but maybe accepting the gambited knight is better? I just want them to be out of whatever comfort they have with the gambit line. Just wondering if anyone had go to response to this.

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skipper chess

skipper chess 1 year ago

Hey! GM Danya made a vid about it on his YT! he gave a clear defense against it! just check it out!
daniel schleith

daniel schleith 1 year ago

Oh yeah so I did see that but everything he showed was accepting the gambit and then refuting it and I was just wondering if there were ways to avoid it or even if d4 is a good move haha :). I should review that video though cause I'm seeing like every couple of games lately. Thanks!
skipper chess

skipper chess 1 year ago

I mean it doesn't make sense to not take the advantage when you have the chance of gaining the advantage! so i guess accepting the gambit is altogether a good choice!
skipper chess

skipper chess 1 year ago

And also in case you don't have time to review the whole 30 min video, then I have made a Study file on Lichess! You can tell me your lichess ID and i can invite you to the study!
skipper chess

skipper chess 1 year ago

I faced it a lot too! but not so much these days!
daniel schleith

daniel schleith 1 year ago

My main lichess id is dschleith! I’d love to check out the study you made :)
Robert J.

Robert J. 1 year ago

You can check out this lichess public study: Stafford Gambit Study (lichess.org)
David Flynn

David Flynn 1 year ago

I don't recall ever having it. What's the idea of the gambit if declined (defer d6, d5 in one, play b6 Bb7 instead - I guess capturing Nxc6 opens lines with dxc6)? Can I just retreat Nf3 and transpose where Black has shown his cards by playing Nc6?

David Flynn

David Flynn 1 year ago

I said that and I've had it couple of times now. In both cases accepted though there are tricks on e4 and f2. Not sure if the analysis (chess.com check) suggestion of an early f3 to shore up e4 is good, given Bc5 and relying on getting in d4, Bd3 or castling queenside. Even if better eventually it's probably what Black is hoping for 
daniel schleith

daniel schleith 1 year ago

I was just rereading this thread and I saw I never responded to your original comment and it was only because it was slightly over my head and I hadn't tried playing through what you suggested! I did bother to find eric's study explaining all the traps. 

https://lichess.org/study/whCVdUeM

Kevin D

Kevin D 1 year ago

@daniel schleith

Acceptance is certainly the strongest course but your 4.d4 is also an excellent and practical way to decline the Stafford while still retaining some advantage. 4.Nf3 is not as strong because in many lines Black gets to go d5 in one move instead of two.

Well done daniel I like your thought process in dealing with Gambiteers. :)

One sound way of accepting the Gambit not mentioned by Daniel Naroditsky is:1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nxe5 Nc6 4.Nxc6 dxc6 5.e5 Ne4 6.d4 [6.d3 Bc5 7.dxe4 Bxf2+ 8.Kxf2 Qxd1 Don't fall for that one, it's the main idea behind The Stafford.] 6...Be6 7.c3 with a big advantage for White. 

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daniel schleith

daniel schleith 1 year ago

Hey thanks! I’m gonna try to play through the line you posted to get comfortable with it!
skipper chess

skipper chess 1 year ago

Hey! I have invited you @danielschleith!!
skipper chess

skipper chess 1 year ago

https://lichess.org/study/dVXoC9Z5
Regis H

Regis H 1 year ago

I check the new videos once in a while and no one ever plays e5 like you suggest. I played it online and checked the few times E.Rosen, played against it in blitz and he did not seem to have any line that wins against this.

Engine says white is clearly better and in practice it is easier to play for white, just hold the centre (Be3, Qf3 if needed). From a practical point of view, I prefer this as it is simpler to remember (against a rare line).

I guess Eric Rosen only posts the videos where people play d3 (which is indeed full of traps)...

jamie Wilby

jamie Wilby 1 year ago

I agree with you Kevin. I have seen quite a lot of Eric rosen and he reminds me of Simon Williams. Will make and promote a course on anything but in a serious game would never play any of them. Which is the serious test of an opening system.

Its quite unscrupulous personally and I find it quite 'scammy' that so many of these types of courses are around.

GM_Avetik Grigoryan

GM_Avetik Grigoryan 1 year ago

Yeah... And I'm very sad to see some IMs or GMs teach it to their students, telling it's a wonderful gambit. 
In reality, I feel Black is just lost. 

You should just now this 7.c3 move, with idea d4, then e5. 

Is it covered in any course, where someone recommends this gambit?
I haven't seen it. With very clear reasons, of course, why they didn't cover this move :)  

I'll cover this soon in the Abracadabra openings section :) 

@Kevin_D, what do you think about 7.c3? 



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Kevin D

Kevin D 1 year ago

@GM_Avetik_Grigoryan

Yes that line is also very convincing, GM Daniel Naroditsky did a Youtube video recommending it. See link below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLzLAJcRn-Q&list=UUHP9CdeguNUI-_nBv_UXBhw

I just felt like offering yet another effective solution. I agree with you Coach, it's irresponsible when titled players promote these kind of dubious openings and Rosen in particular is guilty of this nonsense a lot. For some reason he becomes fascinated with trying to make these bizarre and unsound concoctions work, and they do for awhile in Blitz & Bullet, but the thing is Blitz & Bullet should not be used as the determining factor when building a good Opening Repertoire and inexperienced players usually find great difficulty in understanding that.

Kevin H

Kevin H 1 year ago

I think Rosen is arguing it is a tricky opening for blitz/bullet but he does admit that it is a dubious opening. 
Kevin D

Kevin D 1 year ago

@K H 

I don't think the majority of his subscribers have gotten the memo. :D

EDIT: Turns out that Rosen is actually selling a course recommending the Stafford Gambit to students. The name of the course is 'Aggressive Repertoire Against 1.e4' and it is being distributed by  https://www.limitlesschess.com/
Mik B

Mik B 10 months ago

I just faced the Stafford after reading this thread and quickly watching Naroditsky video, slight move order issue dropped the e4-pawn but recovered to finish it off nicely !

https://www.chess.com/live#g=10536973571

Richard Dickinson

Richard Dickinson 1 year ago

I have seen it just a couple of times. Last time was just a few weeks ago and I am sure it was down to IM Rosen streaming it & uploading to his YouTube channel. I won easily against it, mainly as my opponent played it badly! Still, it is one of those openings that is just bad! Except if it is played by a good player, who actually knows it & how to play, then it might be challenging I guess!

IM Rosen & Jonathan Schranz & several other chess streamers seem to delight in promoting dodgy gambits (Nakhmunson gambit?!). I do not mind this generally, but sometimes they go very silly and are shown to be very foolish! That is their choice... et comme les francais dit "chaque un a son gout"!

In conclusion I am sure you can find a sound good way to beat this Stafford gambit..follow Avetik & Kevin's advice! GL .....Right Mood, Right Move COGRO!

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Kevin D

Kevin D 1 year ago

@Richard Dickinson

By the way Jonathan Schranz has a Nakhmanson gambit course for sale on chessable.com  https://www.chessable.com/nakhmanson-gambit/course/51578/

Kevin D

Kevin D 10 months ago

Stafford Gambit continues to be a thing:

https://shop.chessbase.com/en/products/ris_stafford_gambit_in_60_minutes?Ref=RF70-5OH0EFN840